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		<title>By: Susan Scrupski</title>
		<link>http://gobigalways.com/gartner-and-forresters-report-card-so-far/#comment-597</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Scrupski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sam.  It amazes me how much our F500/G2000 clients are still reliant on the traditional analyst house's opinions and reports.  Did I say amazes?  Looking for a stronger word...  It's somewhat of a frustration for me.  If you've not seen it, a great post/debate on old school analysts vs. the digerati analysts was posted last fall by the HP analyst relations guy (whom I'm told since moved on).  The comments further the debate. See for yourself: http://tinyurl.com/3ddybw

Kudos to you for grading the analysts and provoking some conversation on this topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sam.  It amazes me how much our F500/G2000 clients are still reliant on the traditional analyst house&#8217;s opinions and reports.  Did I say amazes?  Looking for a stronger word&#8230;  It&#8217;s somewhat of a frustration for me.  If you&#8217;ve not seen it, a great post/debate on old school analysts vs. the digerati analysts was posted last fall by the HP analyst relations guy (whom I&#8217;m told since moved on).  The comments further the debate. See for yourself: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/3ddybw" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/3ddybw</a></p>
<p>Kudos to you for grading the analysts and provoking some conversation on this topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Trisha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trisha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 01:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremiah has really made Forrester research a household name. Heck - HE is a household name (at least so long as someone in the house runs a small business or does anything online =P )

I don't believe enterprises use these reports, however. What are assistants for, if not to research? Maybe they buy some reports from time to time, but I doubt an annual membership.

In all honesty, I use Aberdeen and my personal assistant to get at any information I need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremiah has really made Forrester research a household name. Heck - HE is a household name (at least so long as someone in the house runs a small business or does anything online =P )</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe enterprises use these reports, however. What are assistants for, if not to research? Maybe they buy some reports from time to time, but I doubt an annual membership.</p>
<p>In all honesty, I use Aberdeen and my personal assistant to get at any information I need.</p>
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		<title>By: Gotta Conversation Jones?</title>
		<link>http://gobigalways.com/gartner-and-forresters-report-card-so-far/#comment-485</link>
		<dc:creator>Gotta Conversation Jones?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Will the Blogosphere Obsolete Analysts?...&lt;/strong&gt;

In recent post Sam Lawrence, CMO of Jive Software, raised the question &#8220;Will insightful and credible people from (the) Blogosphere make analysts irrelevant?” Good question, Sam. As my father used to say, let&#8217;s take some think time on this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Will the Blogosphere Obsolete Analysts?&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>In recent post Sam Lawrence, CMO of Jive Software, raised the question &#8220;Will insightful and credible people from (the) Blogosphere make analysts irrelevant?” Good question, Sam. As my father used to say, let&#8217;s take some think time on this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Grading the analysts - The Network Hub: A SearchNetworking.com blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grading the analysts - The Network Hub: A SearchNetworking.com blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] experiences. Sam Lawrence, chief marketing officer of Jive Software, a social software vendor, blogged this week about his experiences with two shops: Gartner and Forrester Research, two of the the biggest IT research and consulting firms out there. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] experiences. Sam Lawrence, chief marketing officer of Jive Software, a social software vendor, blogged this week about his experiences with two shops: Gartner and Forrester Research, two of the the biggest IT research and consulting firms out there. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos to you, Ray, for reaching out. That's very cool.

I should be clear that as it applies to you guys, it's not about the analysts. You guys are super smart and are doing your thing.

Most of what seems to be broken is the processes and fatty tissue on the relationship side. All that said, this is just a point in time. I spoke to your Sales reps today and I think they understand the issues, so hopefully productive stuff will come out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos to you, Ray, for reaching out. That&#8217;s very cool.</p>
<p>I should be clear that as it applies to you guys, it&#8217;s not about the analysts. You guys are super smart and are doing your thing.</p>
<p>Most of what seems to be broken is the processes and fatty tissue on the relationship side. All that said, this is just a point in time. I spoke to your Sales reps today and I think they understand the issues, so hopefully productive stuff will come out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Valdes</title>
		<link>http://gobigalways.com/gartner-and-forresters-report-card-so-far/#comment-443</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Valdes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Sam, very interesting post.

A small point of information: Gartner first covered Jive Software back in August 2006, mentioned in my overview report on corporate blogging technology, now dated but still available at http://www.gartner.com/DisplayDocument?id=495227

Can't speak for others, but speaking for myself, I am always interested in talking to customers and end-users about their use of social software. I probably have about five hundred such conversations in the course of a year, mostly through the inquiry process but also through other means such as formal one-on-one sessions and informal conversations at vendor/industry conferences. 

There are now other colleagues at Gartner who are spending more time than me covering the category of enterprise social software. However, I am still interested in hearing about your company, its products and relevant customer experiences. Let's keep the conversation going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Sam, very interesting post.</p>
<p>A small point of information: Gartner first covered Jive Software back in August 2006, mentioned in my overview report on corporate blogging technology, now dated but still available at <a href="http://www.gartner.com/DisplayDocument?id=495227" rel="nofollow">http://www.gartner.com/DisplayDocument?id=495227</a></p>
<p>Can&#8217;t speak for others, but speaking for myself, I am always interested in talking to customers and end-users about their use of social software. I probably have about five hundred such conversations in the course of a year, mostly through the inquiry process but also through other means such as formal one-on-one sessions and informal conversations at vendor/industry conferences. </p>
<p>There are now other colleagues at Gartner who are spending more time than me covering the category of enterprise social software. However, I am still interested in hearing about your company, its products and relevant customer experiences. Let&#8217;s keep the conversation going.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Telofski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Telofski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Will insightful and credible people from Blogosphere make analysts irrelevant?"

Theoretically possible, I suppose.  But it would require client brains akin to the best sponges out there, and clients with unlimited amounts of time.

Analysts provide the knowledge absorption and capacity of hours, allowing clients to actually run their businesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Will insightful and credible people from Blogosphere make analysts irrelevant?&#8221;</p>
<p>Theoretically possible, I suppose.  But it would require client brains akin to the best sponges out there, and clients with unlimited amounts of time.</p>
<p>Analysts provide the knowledge absorption and capacity of hours, allowing clients to actually run their businesses.</p>
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		<title>By: Between the Lines mobile edition</title>
		<link>http://gobigalways.com/gartner-and-forresters-report-card-so-far/#comment-441</link>
		<dc:creator>Between the Lines mobile edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lawrence, CMO at Jive Software, a collaboration and community software maker, had the following key takeaways in a blog post: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Lawrence, CMO at Jive Software, a collaboration and community software maker, had the following key takeaways in a blog post: [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, I'm pretty excited that this has been so positively received. It one thing to have so many folks supporting the open dialogue online (this post, twitter, other people's posts) but quite another to also hear it from Gartner and Forrester via phone. 

As I mentioned on Stowe's post, It's going to be interesting to see how the Analyst market evolves faced with social software and the changing landscape of expertise. Personally, I think they have a massive opportunity to engage in a wholly new way and like many companies, some will embrace and others won't. 

The truth is, most companies don't track social software nearly as much as our echo-chamber does and  they will put value on *people* who are credible analysts to provide further insight. Who those people are and how they plan to deliver it is what seems to be in flux. 

Analysts are freaking smart. Many have insight the rest of us, don't. They get to talk to vendors, customers, media, and gain perspective that only those relationships (along with data) could provide.

The trick is, how to open up, include and fully engage with others. This whole thing is about relationships now--typical and atypical. They're no idiots, creme rises to the top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, I&#8217;m pretty excited that this has been so positively received. It one thing to have so many folks supporting the open dialogue online (this post, twitter, other people&#8217;s posts) but quite another to also hear it from Gartner and Forrester via phone. </p>
<p>As I mentioned on Stowe&#8217;s post, It&#8217;s going to be interesting to see how the Analyst market evolves faced with social software and the changing landscape of expertise. Personally, I think they have a massive opportunity to engage in a wholly new way and like many companies, some will embrace and others won&#8217;t. </p>
<p>The truth is, most companies don&#8217;t track social software nearly as much as our echo-chamber does and  they will put value on *people* who are credible analysts to provide further insight. Who those people are and how they plan to deliver it is what seems to be in flux. </p>
<p>Analysts are freaking smart. Many have insight the rest of us, don&#8217;t. They get to talk to vendors, customers, media, and gain perspective that only those relationships (along with data) could provide.</p>
<p>The trick is, how to open up, include and fully engage with others. This whole thing is about relationships now&#8211;typical and atypical. They&#8217;re no idiots, creme rises to the top.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Gotta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Gotta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam, just a quick note to thank you for the acknowledgement. I try to be as open as possible (there are situations when confidentiality and business model constraints do limit things). Burton Group has been very open-minded when it comes to personal analyst blogs as complimentary to our group blogs.  

I agree that transparency is a good thing for our industry. Analysts should be engaged in broader community conversations - it benefits all involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, just a quick note to thank you for the acknowledgement. I try to be as open as possible (there are situations when confidentiality and business model constraints do limit things). Burton Group has been very open-minded when it comes to personal analyst blogs as complimentary to our group blogs.  </p>
<p>I agree that transparency is a good thing for our industry. Analysts should be engaged in broader community conversations - it benefits all involved.</p>
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